To All,

I am creating this informational site in the hopes of discussing issues that I believe are important and where I hope to add value to any ongoing discussions. Please if you find any area of this site that you feel strongly about, contact me through the contact me link below. I will read all entries and promise to consider your ideas.

Thank you,

Kurt Artecona

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1/02/2007 This is my first entry and I look forward to working on this site with enthusiasm and positive intensions.

YAHOO's tricky M.O.

About two weeks ago I was notified by a colleague of mine, Mike Catania, that Yahoo had been using "Partner Sites" in a new and unusual way. A Yahoo partner site is a web site that is (for practical purposes) in the Yahoo network. If you ask Yahoo about this directly like I did, they might tell you as they told me that a partner site is a search site like CNN. I have found through experience and research that this is rarely the case. Many of their partner sites are not search sites at all, but actually directory sites that have no purpose except to point you to sponsored links or as they sometimes call them "search resources".

Sites such as loanforsmallbusiness.info are likely to be Yahoo partners. They house hundreds of Yahoo customer listings and are tracked by Overture. The reason I can't formally state that they are Yahoo partners is due to the fact that although Yahoo admits to having partners such as loanforsmallbusiness.info, they will not acknowledge it formally. There is no published list of partners that I am aware of. I have asked Yahoo for a published list and they have ignored my request several times. If you click on any of the listing you will be redirected by the Overture system to a Yahoo PPC client. Here is a sample a redirect URL found in loanforsmallbusiness.info today January 02, 2007:

http://rc12.overture.com/d1/sr/?xargs=15KPjg1ydSt5Xyl_
ruNLbXU6TFhUBdzcLqrpIwWo8sS5BBsDAyBqIuM-DeB_
dIZIMgu1y_mafXpfBIQ6ei2KfVT1-QFBDJFrW9g9GHmNp_
Zfe0WqUO0vA5xOwdqb9bPwthNzyke9e8nppgFk7Io0l-640FtHz2hIUO9_
-nxOYfGLPb3UQs9l7SJJsSvq0ogMrGIJ4OSLZQaYyUlC-XAu4zuqp9l--
sNlETKD306WwIwm6wAEMn4qPMf40KvrP1m46RYfWlkdpaa0KUgPVh6x-
UywyYyv51b3eC2YNpul8EPd75aT3a-g0ovvTSjvbNctEWu0apPcut
AS36Ykt9dU1nD667YwGXMz8xcjK3cIUBJJu4pS65BK-
AEyIja00G68XzNcAC9U3Fl2QqXiTLGdaK52wmY7Q5iEa68iXTlE8W2ut1lqOKbpFV
-oyBjwDPMyYAqJSClra1HraauBMClzci4fIKGchakexMoClEvSeAkYv
-I-U695xaYu39yicuz50.
Another important fact about Yahoo partner sites is that unlike Yahoo's "Content Match" system you can't turn them off when running a Yahoo PPC campaign. Loanforsmallbusiness.info for example pays Google to be in Google's paid search results. They bid on many competitive terms but from what I have uncovered in my research they only pay the minimum and show up for thousands of terms at the tail end of the sponsored results. If you search for a term in Google completely unrelated to your industry and click from Google's sponsored listing area into a site such as www.loanforsmallbusiness.info you will or should generate a 10 cent marketing fee for Google. Once you are in www.loanforsmallbusiness.info however you will see hundred of listings there maybe your own as well. If you click on any of them you could potentially generate much higher fees for those listed in that site. This creates additional ad revenue for Yahoo. If you are working for a company that carefully tracks key terms and their respective specific performance, you will find your results to be skewed by the fact that many of the visitors coming to your site will be arriving there from completely unpredictable, unsupervised channels and by having searched for terms completely unrelated to the search terms you carefully researched, tested and paid for. What is even worse is that you might make serious business decisions based on this poor data. Garbage in Garbage out as they say in the computing world.

Anyway back to the story: Mike had noticed that one of our clients had started receiving thousands of clicks from seventeen different sites that neither he nor I had any previous knowledge of or relationship with. After investigating the log files through our company’s analytics system we were able to determine that the traffic was not converting into sales--at least not at normal percentage levels. All of the conversion-challenged sites were found to be Yahoo partner sites. Historically, our client’s site converts on the average of 28% of all recorded visitors, conversions being defined as the completion of an income generating financial application. We had recorded increased Yahoo PPC traffic on all our sites and observed that Yahoo PPC conversion rates have been decreasing at the same time. Yahoo PPC results had dropped by over 10% in seven months time while the cost of this traffic had increased 65%. What is also unusual is that in the same time period that we saw the 10% PPC conversion drop we had been able to increase conversion rates for natural search results by 2.5% through better design and copy improvements.

Once we had completed our initial analysis we sought to verify our findings. We utilized Clicktracks and followed the path of visitors from the Yahoo partner sites and found that 99% only clicked our home page before leaving the site. The average time spent on our site by these unqualified visitors was 22 seconds while our average for all other visitors was over 120 seconds. An example of one of the websites is http://www.wealthygeek.com. We had received 4500 visitors from this site with only 6 converting into applicants. We normally would have expected to have received 900 applications from this amount of Yahoo traffic. Since we notified Yahoo about this the site it seems to no longer function as it did when we discovered this problem. However Yahoo will neither confirm nor deny that http://www.wealthygeek.com was or is a partner site.

My concern is that Yahoo is costing my client hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and they don't seem to have anything to say that would at all justify or even explain their choices and strategy. I am somewhat disappointed to say the least. I have been a fan of Yahoo and hoped that they would provide real competition for Google. Competition is the engine that drives innovation. This new strategy seems very short-sighted to me. In my mind they will not be able to compete with Google without real visionary leadership that thinks long-term.

If you contact Yahoo about this you will likely receive this email in response as four of our clients did. It is their boilerplate response:
Dec 29 2006 18:18 PT

Hello Kurt,

We have completed our investigation of the unusual click activity you recently reported covering the following dates 12/03/2006 to 12/15/2006.

After carefully analyzing the click trail for your account, our Loss Prevention Team has determined that there were no unqualified clicks.

A sudden increase in traffic is sometimes attributable to the addition of a new distribution partner or a variation in the way our results are displayed on our partners' pages. Yahoo! Search Marketing partners with numerous portals, ISPs, meta-search sites and more than 100,000 other Web sites to provide you with qualified leads. When users conduct searches at any one of these sites, Yahoo! Search Marketing listings are displayed, providing advertisers with targeted exposure to potential customers.

While searches from these sites return Yahoo! Search Marketing results, your server logs will not always reflect Yahoo! URLs. In fact, your logs will sometimes show our partner's URL, not ours. This, if you only scan your logs for the <Yahoo.com> domain name, you may miss clicks that come from our partners.


To verify that our Click Protection System is working and to more accurately track the amount of traffic you receive from Yahoo! Search Marketing, we recommend that you change the URL in your listings to a ?tracking URL.? Once you've changed your URL to a tracking URL, you will be able to see in your web logs the amount of traffic that you've received from Yahoo! Search Marketing, and compare this information with your Yahoo! Search Marketing click charges in the Reports section of your account. You will also be able to verify that you have not been charged for any excessive click activity.

You can easily convert your existing URLs to tracking URLs by turning on Yahoo! Easy Track. Just click the "On" button for the Easy Track option, which is located on the Account Set Up page within your account. Your existing URLs will then be appended with information that will appear in your Web server logs, allowing you to identify traffic driven by Yahoo! Search Marketing and its partner network by search term, match type and raw search query.

Thank you for your patience while we researched your account. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please feel free to speak to the first available representative.

Sincerely,

Nick Huron
Yahoo! Search Marketing




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Below is a list of potential Yahoo partner sites. Please send me any that you find. If you need help with it you can contact me and I will do my best to give you instructions on how to identify these sites in your industry.

www.LoanForSmallBusiness.info
www1.nuseek.com
creditcard1024.info
instafinder.com
uv.bidtool.overture.com
instantcreditcardproviders.com
creditcarduk.com
center.us.com
yourcreditcards.org
frequentflyer.com
www-creditcards.us
globalcreditcard.com
www-creditcard.biz
www-creditcard.info
wealthygeek.com
landing.trafficz.com
moneysearch.com
creditcard-directory.creditcardclub.com
cards.com
creditcard4you.info
goodsearch.com
loanspersonal.info
boakwon.com
findstuff.com
as.starware.com
home.bellsouth.net
dalsemi.org
avantfind.com
cencoinc.com
results-qa.personalweb.com
credituniondirectory.info
mail.google.com
equestbiz.com
unsecuredcredit.com
br11.com
alsaunders.com
janicevidal.com
my.ebay.com
bankcard.com
gascreditcardsinfo.com
creditcaard.net
consumerratings.com
flowersland.com
checking-accounts-101.com
cheapcreditcards.com
web.yoursearchfinder.com
avotv.com
unsecuredloandirectory.com
banks.com
cardfind.com
evahuang.com
homeloansafterbankruptcy.net
wrenkeasler.com
loan-bad-credit.com
credit-card.sc
unionworkercredit.com
surveynetworks.com
applyforacreditcards.net
pages.us.com
snaptech.techbuyer.com
searchcreditcards.com
moneyorder.com
radiofreecash.com
acreditcard.org
acceptcreditcardonlineguide.info
ezfinda.com
wwwcreditcards.com
etctv.com
www2.look-up-results.com
vcd1688.com

If you are able to verify or disprove the relationship between these sites and Yahoo I would be very grateful with your sharing the information you find.